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Cisco, others dance around 40G Ethernet for data centers

Notwithstanding an aggressive first strike by Extreme Networks, switching vendors are largely mum on when and in what configurations they will ship 40G Ethernet products.

Extreme announced and demonstrated four-port 40G Ethernet modules for its Summit X650 stackable edge and BlackDiamond modular switches at the Interop conference here this week. Extreme is pricing the modules aggressively: $1,000 per port, which is only $85 more than the average selling price of a 10G Ethernet port, according to Dell'Oro Group.
Yet, with the exception of Force10 Networks and Brocade, Extreme's competitors would not commit to timeframes for shipping 40G Ethernet products, and only Brocade indicated it could match Extreme's price points.

ndustry leader Cisco  may have a more delicate issue to deal with than determining 40G Ethernet pricing and availability.
With a 230Gbps backplane, the current generation of Cisco's new Nexus 7000 data center switch may not have enough horsepower to support 40G Ethernet interfaces at densities that make the technology feasible -- which is eight to 16 ports per slot, industry players say. It would require an upgrade to the 2-year-old Nexus 7000 switch fabric, according to sources inside and outside of Cisco.

"It can support 40G, but not at usable densities with a 230G backplane," said one source with knowledge of the situation. "And there's no live migration of the fabric -- it would be outage-based," he said, referring to downtime required to upgrade the switch.

A source within Cisco said the company will ship 40G Ethernet on the Nexus 7000 after the standard is ratified in June, and left open the possibility that it could be this year -- "If we can get the optics vendors to play ball" on 40G densities Cisco desires, the source said.

Another Cisco official was evasive on how and when the Nexus 7000 will support 40G Ethernet in densities of at least eight ports per slot. The bigger issue is if a customer has a system with a reasonable entry price point with an architecture that's designed to scale, said Thomas Scheibe, director of Cisco's Data Center Switching and Services group.

"The current 7000 will support 40/100G," he said. "Is the architecture there to scale? It's designed to scale to half a terabit per slot. That will be driven by when a customer needs it."

That scalability will require an upgrade to the switch's five fabric modules, one source said, which are designed for "highly scalable 10 Gigabit Ethernet networks." The current Nexus 7000 supervisor modules should work, but the chassis backplane would need to be tested with the new modules for signal integrity, the source said.

Though optimized for high-density 10G, the Nexus 7000 was also designed for future support of 40/100G Ethernet, Cisco said during the product's launch two years ago. What was not said, however, was what it would take to get there.
One user was not aware of the issue but not alarmed by it either.

"I hadn't heard that from Cisco, probably because I hadn't asked," said Michael Morris, senior manager of IT Communications Engineering at a U.S.-based IT company, and a Network World blogger. "I have no need for 40G/100G … right now, so not a big issue for me. Still some [dollars] but you're not ripping out chassis, line cards and cables."
In addition to Extreme, other Cisco competitors are unveiling switches with 100Gbps per second per slot of capacity in preparation for 40/100G Ethernet. Force10 said it will ship 40G Ethernet switches later this year, but pricing "will be somewhere between 6-8x the price of 10 GbE when products first begin shipping later this year, but 'normalize' at 4x over time," Senior Director of Product Marketing Kevin Wade wrote in an e-mail earlier this month.

HP inherited a 40/100G ready switch -- the 12500 -- with its acquisition of 3Com; and start-up Arista Networks just unveiled the AN 7500, with 10Tbps of capacity for 40/100G Ethernet. The switch won a Best of Interop award at the conference this week.

Arista plans to ship 12- to 16-port 40G and four-port 100G Ethernet modules for the AN 7500 in late 2011 or early 2012, said Doug Gourlay, vice president of marketing. Gourlay helped develop the Nexus 7000 when he was at Cisco.

"Core switching and routing incumbents have been milking [older generation] ASICs and architectures for years," Gourlay said during an Interop panel discussion titled "Why Networking Must Fundamentally Change." "It's good for their economics but not yours.

"I would not put a [40/100G Ethernet] card into a modular product you'll be throwing away in two or three years," he said.

Juniper declined to comment on its 40G Ethernet plans after initially stating, in response to an e-mailed inquiry, that an official from its switching group would contact Network World. Juniper's EX 8200 switch, which began shipping on Q1 2009, is targeted at high-density 10G Ethernet data centers. It supports up to 128 10G Ethernet ports and an overall switching capacity of 3.2Tbps in a 16-slot chassis.

At 3.2Tbps in 16 slots, the switch currently supports 200Gbps per slot -- or 100Gbps in, 100Gbps out -- enough for two to five 40G Ethernet ports. A switch fabric upgrade might be required to support the eight to 16 40G Ethernet ports per slot industry players say is required to make the technology economically attractive.

Then again, Juniper may be saving 40/100G Ethernet switches for its Project Stratus data center fabric rollout expected late this year or in early 2011.

Brocade said it will have a 100G Ethernet blade for its MLX-32 system in a service provider customer's hands before the end of the year, and 40G Ethernet for the switch in early 2011. John McHugh, Brocade's chief marketing officer, said price points "get set by the industry" but also "there's no reason why Brocade can't match" Extreme's $1,000 per port price.

Avaya -- which entered the scene with its acquisition of Nortel's Enterprise Solutions group -- was not ready to talk about timelines and configurations for 40G Ethernet products, which will likely appear on its VSP 9000 data center core switch.


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